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	<title>Comments on: Conversations: SAP Influencer Summit vs. Le Web</title>
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		<title>By: SAP Influencer Summit: Best Practice in Real Time Influencer Relations, Twitter, Real Time Web etc</title>
		<link>http://www.sapweb20.com/blog/2009/12/conversations-sap-influencer-summit-vs-le-web/comment-page-1/#comment-1354</link>
		<dc:creator>SAP Influencer Summit: Best Practice in Real Time Influencer Relations, Twitter, Real Time Web etc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] agreed. My recommendation? Read this post and subscribe to SWAY. You might also check out this companion post from SAP’s own Timo Elliott. And this one from @gapingvoid, which is as relevant as it ever [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] agreed. My recommendation? Read this post and subscribe to SWAY. You might also check out this companion post from SAP’s own Timo Elliott. And this one from @gapingvoid, which is as relevant as it ever [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Conversations: SAP Influencer Summit vs. Le Web &#124; CloudAve</title>
		<link>http://www.sapweb20.com/blog/2009/12/conversations-sap-influencer-summit-vs-le-web/comment-page-1/#comment-1347</link>
		<dc:creator>Conversations: SAP Influencer Summit vs. Le Web &#124; CloudAve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in your presentation, and let you “auto tweet” out your key points. (Cross-posted @ &#160;SAP Web 2.0) &#160;Posted Under : Enterprise  Tags ppt powerpoint Twitter Web 2.0 SAP BusinessObjects [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in your presentation, and let you “auto tweet” out your key points. (Cross-posted @ &nbsp;SAP Web 2.0) &nbsp;Posted Under : Enterprise  Tags ppt powerpoint Twitter Web 2.0 SAP BusinessObjects [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chip Rodgers</title>
		<link>http://www.sapweb20.com/blog/2009/12/conversations-sap-influencer-summit-vs-le-web/comment-page-1/#comment-1333</link>
		<dc:creator>Chip Rodgers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The big disadvantage of Webex, GoToMeeting, and raising your hand is that they are all confined to invited guests.  Twitter brings in the rest of the world to hear, follow along (by hashtag), and engage in the conversation.  Like Timo says, it&#039;s not perfect, but it is the &quot;place&quot; where people are.  The other thing Twitter brings is volume of comments and discussions.  Twitter almost begs people to say what they think.  Raising your hand and asking a question is a very low-bandwidth mode and includes social aspects (public speaking, deference, etc) that are less present on Twitter (for good and bad)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big disadvantage of Webex, GoToMeeting, and raising your hand is that they are all confined to invited guests.  Twitter brings in the rest of the world to hear, follow along (by hashtag), and engage in the conversation.  Like Timo says, it&#8217;s not perfect, but it is the &#8220;place&#8221; where people are.  The other thing Twitter brings is volume of comments and discussions.  Twitter almost begs people to say what they think.  Raising your hand and asking a question is a very low-bandwidth mode and includes social aspects (public speaking, deference, etc) that are less present on Twitter (for good and bad)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: james governor</title>
		<link>http://www.sapweb20.com/blog/2009/12/conversations-sap-influencer-summit-vs-le-web/comment-page-1/#comment-1330</link>
		<dc:creator>james governor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Twitter is a very poor backchannel support tool compared with designed-for-purpose products such as webex and gotomeeting.&quot; - fwiw webex and gotomeeting were clearly NOT designed for event backchannel comms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Twitter is a very poor backchannel support tool compared with designed-for-purpose products such as webex and gotomeeting.&#8221; &#8211; fwiw webex and gotomeeting were clearly NOT designed for event backchannel comms.</p>
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		<title>By: james governor</title>
		<link>http://www.sapweb20.com/blog/2009/12/conversations-sap-influencer-summit-vs-le-web/comment-page-1/#comment-1329</link>
		<dc:creator>james governor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Duncan I think that&#039;s the 1990s calling - they want their influencer model back... if you&#039;re advocating WebEx you&#039;re really badly missing the point.

Timo- This post rather beautifully illustrates my post on the summit, at least from the nTag perspective. Could SAP have used the nTag for in session voting? Didn&#039;t need to - twitter mining did the trick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Duncan I think that&#8217;s the 1990s calling &#8211; they want their influencer model back&#8230; if you&#8217;re advocating WebEx you&#8217;re really badly missing the point.</p>
<p>Timo- This post rather beautifully illustrates my post on the summit, at least from the nTag perspective. Could SAP have used the nTag for in session voting? Didn&#8217;t need to &#8211; twitter mining did the trick.</p>
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		<title>By: Timo Elliott</title>
		<link>http://www.sapweb20.com/blog/2009/12/conversations-sap-influencer-summit-vs-le-web/comment-page-1/#comment-1324</link>
		<dc:creator>Timo Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duncan,

For better or worse, Twitter is the channel that audiences are currently choosing. Different tools could be appropriate in some circumstances, but I don&#039;t think it would have worked here (or, to be honest, in most public conferences with Twitter-savvy audiences).

I actually think taking questions over tweets can be a big improvement over people raising their hands and asking questions. It&#039;s faster, since people can ask questions while the presenter is speaking; it means the virtual audience isn&#039;t left out; and it can help reduce the problem of long, rambling, or off-the-topic questions (this latter part doesn&#039;t apply to an analyst audience, obviously).  

I suspect that the people in the audience that were doing the most twittering in the early sessions were the ones that had already seen similar content before, at other SAP events -- but that was only a portion of the audience. Unless you can get everybody to watch content in advance (which is unlikely), some level of &quot;getting everybody on the same level&quot; is inevitable. 

And I&#039;m not sure that the level of tweets shows that people aren&#039;t listening -- I actually find I end up drifting away less if I&#039;m trying to tweet about a presentation, since it becomes a conversation, not a monologue. It forces me to pay more attention to the content, and consider what I think about it. 

It&#039;s worth noting that in this case, there were additional 1 on 1 sessions planned for the analysts to ask more questions, but I agree with you that formal presentations will be shorter. In general, I think the new technologies can help make the whole presentation more interactive, with less need for an abrupt change from &quot;presenting&quot; to &quot;Q&amp;A&quot;, with the presentation being a more loosely coordinated set of points to be covered. 

Presenters will need new skills to monitor the twitter stream and be comfortable reacting to tweets as they go along (which means knowing what you&#039;re talking about!). I predict that we will see a rise in:
* Presenter/moderator formats or multi-person presenting (so that the other person has time to see the questions)
* Teams of backup experts ready on Twitter to help add detail / context
* Non-linear presentation tools (Prezi or PowerPoint with linking and embedding).

And if any of this helps save the world from stilted, uninteresting PowerPoint presentations, that would be a wonderful thing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duncan,</p>
<p>For better or worse, Twitter is the channel that audiences are currently choosing. Different tools could be appropriate in some circumstances, but I don&#8217;t think it would have worked here (or, to be honest, in most public conferences with Twitter-savvy audiences).</p>
<p>I actually think taking questions over tweets can be a big improvement over people raising their hands and asking questions. It&#8217;s faster, since people can ask questions while the presenter is speaking; it means the virtual audience isn&#8217;t left out; and it can help reduce the problem of long, rambling, or off-the-topic questions (this latter part doesn&#8217;t apply to an analyst audience, obviously).  </p>
<p>I suspect that the people in the audience that were doing the most twittering in the early sessions were the ones that had already seen similar content before, at other SAP events &#8212; but that was only a portion of the audience. Unless you can get everybody to watch content in advance (which is unlikely), some level of &#8220;getting everybody on the same level&#8221; is inevitable. </p>
<p>And I&#8217;m not sure that the level of tweets shows that people aren&#8217;t listening &#8212; I actually find I end up drifting away less if I&#8217;m trying to tweet about a presentation, since it becomes a conversation, not a monologue. It forces me to pay more attention to the content, and consider what I think about it. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth noting that in this case, there were additional 1 on 1 sessions planned for the analysts to ask more questions, but I agree with you that formal presentations will be shorter. In general, I think the new technologies can help make the whole presentation more interactive, with less need for an abrupt change from &#8220;presenting&#8221; to &#8220;Q&#038;A&#8221;, with the presentation being a more loosely coordinated set of points to be covered. </p>
<p>Presenters will need new skills to monitor the twitter stream and be comfortable reacting to tweets as they go along (which means knowing what you&#8217;re talking about!). I predict that we will see a rise in:<br />
* Presenter/moderator formats or multi-person presenting (so that the other person has time to see the questions)<br />
* Teams of backup experts ready on Twitter to help add detail / context<br />
* Non-linear presentation tools (Prezi or PowerPoint with linking and embedding).</p>
<p>And if any of this helps save the world from stilted, uninteresting PowerPoint presentations, that would be a wonderful thing!</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.sapweb20.com/blog/2009/12/conversations-sap-influencer-summit-vs-le-web/comment-page-1/#comment-1321</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twitter is a very poor backchannel support tool compared with designed-for-purpose products such as webex and gotomeeting. The worst problem is Retweeting, so you get the same comment over and over again. Also, the length limit forces off the cuff, trite reaction rather than considered comment or clearly phrased questions. 

The big lesson for SAP and other vendors is this: analysts want to ask questions, not listen to an executive in bs mode. The tweet volume shows that no-one was really listening to the guy on stage. You can no longer force us to sit quietly and listen all day, thinking you can leave &#039;20 minutes at the end for questions&#039;,  so you might as well work within that reality. Actually the old technology of raising ones hand, standing up and asking a question would actually work much better than Twitter - so why not support that? Make the formal bits shorter, and have longer and more frequent Q&amp;A sessions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twitter is a very poor backchannel support tool compared with designed-for-purpose products such as webex and gotomeeting. The worst problem is Retweeting, so you get the same comment over and over again. Also, the length limit forces off the cuff, trite reaction rather than considered comment or clearly phrased questions. </p>
<p>The big lesson for SAP and other vendors is this: analysts want to ask questions, not listen to an executive in bs mode. The tweet volume shows that no-one was really listening to the guy on stage. You can no longer force us to sit quietly and listen all day, thinking you can leave &#8217;20 minutes at the end for questions&#8217;,  so you might as well work within that reality. Actually the old technology of raising ones hand, standing up and asking a question would actually work much better than Twitter &#8211; so why not support that? Make the formal bits shorter, and have longer and more frequent Q&amp;A sessions.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.sapweb20.com/blog/2009/12/conversations-sap-influencer-summit-vs-le-web/comment-page-1/#comment-1289</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In addition to the examples you cite, we also used twitter to adjust the attendees experience.  Tweets alerted us to the fact that we needed to add more power strips, that wireless access point was unreliable, and that we lost audio feed on the virtual platform.  We acknowledged the issues on twitter and then followed up when they were fixed.  Barbara provided some lessons learned: http://www.barbarafrench.net/2009/12/11/sap-influencer-summit-an-example-of-real-time-influencer-relations/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition to the examples you cite, we also used twitter to adjust the attendees experience.  Tweets alerted us to the fact that we needed to add more power strips, that wireless access point was unreliable, and that we lost audio feed on the virtual platform.  We acknowledged the issues on twitter and then followed up when they were fixed.  Barbara provided some lessons learned: <a href="http://www.barbarafrench.net/2009/12/11/sap-influencer-summit-an-example-of-real-time-influencer-relations/" rel="nofollow">http://www.barbarafrench.net/2009/12/11/sap-influencer-summit-an-example-of-real-time-influencer-relations/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Real Real-Time Analytics &#124; BI Questions Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.sapweb20.com/blog/2009/12/conversations-sap-influencer-summit-vs-le-web/comment-page-1/#comment-1283</link>
		<dc:creator>Real Real-Time Analytics &#124; BI Questions Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] You can read more about the Summit, and how it compared to “Le Web” here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] You can read more about the Summit, and how it compared to “Le Web” here. [...]</p>
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